Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream (READ OP)

I am beyond tempted to start a thread with the title "Please stop pretending to give a fuck about video game violence in threads about objectification."
Same with only caring about women's sexual freedom and slut shaming when it comes to fictional characters showing as much skin as they possibly can. Only time gamers bring up sex positive feminism is when they are defending titties.
 
Same with only caring about women's sexual freedom and slut shaming when it comes to fictional characters showing as much skin as they possibly can. Only time gamers bring up sex positive feminism is when they are defending titties.
Not even sex positivity as video game characters rarely ever do ANYTHING even REMOTELY related to genuinely having sex or expressing sexuality.
 
It's weird when people bring up sex positivity as a defense but can't seem to bring up one example of a game that has anything to say about sexuality.

Big Mouth has a lot to say about sexuality. Xenoblade 2 has nothing to say.
 
That Raz situation in VC4 sounds like the typical Master Roshi nonsense that japanese media loves so much. The typical shitty pervert that doesn't add anything to the cast or story outside of harassing women, but hey, they get punished! Game knows it's bad!... Except not really because it's used as a gag, clearly played for laughs, which extra fucked up, and the game/anime never challenges this because they don't care; the woman slapping him is supposed to make you laugh, not examine his behavior.

Master Roshi, that other old man from Ranma 1/2, etc, they're all the same unnecessary trash, and honestly, genuinely believing that's the author telling you they're bad is so dumb, it hurts my head.
It's more like....Imagine if you were supposed to think that Gaston from Beauty and the Beast was a good guy. That's raz.
 
Same with only caring about women's sexual freedom and slut shaming when it comes to fictional characters showing as much skin as they possibly can. Only time gamers bring up sex positive feminism is when they are defending titties.
Need I remind you Xenoblade 2 is a female power fantasy tho.
It's more like....Imagine if you were supposed to think that Gaston from Beauty and the Beast was a good guy. That's raz.
Yeah that's the impression I got from your post on that VC4 thread. Yikes.
If someone were to earnestly open a thread complaining about video game violence, they’d be chewed out by a dozen of some weirdly defensive posters.
Probably but I bet you anything no one would tell them "so violence is bad but female objectification is totally fine?!" or anything similar.
 
If such thread existed, I'd thread-derail / concern troll it non-stop with "I don't see you complaining about sexualization of questionably aged characters in games!" posts.
 
The same exact ones who always feel the need to bring up video game violence in threads about objectification.
Here’s the thread I was thinking about.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-...t-options-and-entertainment-in-general.30726/


Gotta admit the responses aren’t nearly as dismissive as I remembered. The more egregious posts might have colored my memory.

However, there is still a weird level of defensiveness for an op that’s just wishing there were more non-combat gameplay styles.

An actual OP chastising violence in games would be treated much rougher.
 
I am beyond tempted to start a thread with the title "Please stop pretending to give a fuck about video game violence in threads about objectification."
I'd love to see that. :D

But not a single person that immediately ran into this thread with the "but violence!" argument will post there, for some strange reason. I can't think of why though, still being too emotional and all, it's making logical thoughts difficult.

I don't even know what to say at this point.

Gotta admit the responses aren’t nearly as dismissive as I remembered. The more egregious posts might have colored my memory.
That thread was originally why I registered to this forum, some of the egregious posts were... egregious indeed. Unfortunately(or fortunately, most likely), by the point my account was allowed in, it had already run its course.
 
Are you saying people who are okay with whackin' it to lewd genderbent artwork should be okay with dating trans people?

Those two activities aren't really comparable at all..
Yeah, they are ok with fapping to trans people tho.
And they are ok with the idea they usually give as argument to why they don't date trans people.
 
You know, I genuinely wonder how different a product designed to appeal to female demo would look like as opposed to a product targetted to young adult male demo.

If a lot of games are Michael Bay movies, then what would gaming's Twilight look like... and how pressed would certain people be about it's success and existence?

Okay that last question isn't relevant.
 
You know, I genuinely wonder how different a product designed to appeal to female demo would look like as opposed to a product targetted to young adult male demo.

If a lot of games are Michael Bay movies, then what would gaming's Twilight look like... and how pressed would certain people be about it's success and existence?

Okay that last question isn't relevant.
Men try to invalidate genres that are more popular with women all the time. Story heavy game? Not a real game. Game about cooking or gardening? Probably not a real game. Game about Disney and Final Fantasy fan fiction? Definitely not a real game.
 
Men try to invalidate genres that are more popular with women all the time. Story heavy game? Not a real game. Game about cooking or gardening? Probably not a real game. Game about Disney and Final Fantasy fan fiction? Definitely not a real game.
Hell, the Nancy Drew series is perhaps one of the most successful video game franchises out there yet most wouldn't be able to recall it, and probably would call them "not real games".
 
Hell, the Nancy Drew series is perhaps one of the most successful video game franchises out there yet most wouldn't be able to recall it, and probably would call them "not real games".
I was actually thinking about Nancy Drew when I typed that.

For something far better known that allegedly has a large female demo there is Animal Crossing. Even then, a lot of people on this forum like to downplay that game's popularity. Must blow minds to learn that it surpasses every Zelda not named BotW (until the Switch game comes out, at least).
 
Men try to invalidate genres that are more popular with women all the time. Story heavy game? Not a real game. Game about cooking or gardening? Probably not a real game. Game about Disney and Final Fantasy fan fiction? Definitely not a real game.
Battle Chef Brigade, Cook Serve Delicious, and Overcooked have made me proud that Video Games truly understand that being a chef is some crazy shit. I love it.

Also Battle Chef Brigade needs more love,

 
Men try to invalidate genres that are more popular with women all the time. Story heavy game? Not a real game. Game about cooking or gardening? Probably not a real game. Game about Disney and Final Fantasy fan fiction? Definitely not a real game.
‘Spot the hidden object’ games too, I think. Essentially a large portion of the games where there isn’t an opposing force to be bludgeoned into submission.
 
You know, I genuinely wonder how different a product designed to appeal to female demo would look like as opposed to a product targetted to young adult male demo.
It already exists, Hidden Object Games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV8AM1ciS4I

It's actually kinda funny to see male designers wonder about female-aimed games, then stumble over hidden object games and go "err, oops". xD My mother plays them all the time, and has probably played as many as average gamers have played """"normal"""" games. She'd never be considered a gamer, though.

Also, wouldn't that be a gross?

...actually that really fits...
That's perfect indeed xD
 
Well, yes, but I mean why is the original Iron Chef host always eating a pepper?

Hey! I'm not native so I didn't know that term, but now I'll remember. Thanks! ;)

So I guess a gross of something was specially disgusting and thats where the other meaning comes from...
Not really. Gross has two pronunciations. Gross, as in disgusting rhymes as dose. Gross, as in a unit of measurement, rhymes with cross. Both come from a french word of the same spelling and used to mean big or thick. The unit of measurement got settled in the Middle Ages, but the term used as disgusting wasn't used until gross became slang in the 1950's, where it meant plenty of things (including boring) until settling until disgusting.

...see fellow college students? My English classes weren't a waste of time! :P
 
Yeah, they are ok with fapping to trans people tho.
And they are ok with the idea they usually give as argument to why they don't date trans people.
People are ok with fapping to a lot of stuff. Doesn't mean that it all translates directly to what they would actually be into in real life.
 
You know that other thread made me look up the Gamer Joker meme and I instantly found an image that perfectly explains why women don't openly partake in gaming culture as much as men.

It was a shitty stock image of joker with text almost as cringeworthy as it is vile. Actually, not really, because it is way more vile than it is cringeworthy... and it's extremely cringeworthy.

It's a
shitty stock image of a grinning Joker with a caption saying something like "the only cure for being a bitch is gamer cum, so open wide!" in all caps. I'm not going to spread that around.

Fuck.
 
Well, yes, but I mean why is the original Iron Chef host always eating a pepper?



Not really. Gross has two pronunciations. Gross, as in disgusting rhymes as dose. Gross, as in a unit of measurement, rhymes with cross. Both come from a french word of the same spelling and used to mean big or thick. The unit of measurement got settled in the Middle Ages, but the term used as disgusting wasn't used until gross became slang in the 1950's, where it meant plenty of things (including boring) until settling until disgusting.

...see fellow college students? My English classes weren't a waste of time! :P
Lol that makes sense, I'm from Catalonia, which has a long frontier to the north with France and in my language "big" is "gros", and in spanish, the language of my neighbors to the west, "thick" is "grueso".

Just checked and all come from the Latin Grossus
 
So I just happened to see this get retweeted on my time line, and I'm a bit... perturbed. It's anime related, but still.


So, to clarify, the character in question is Izumi (Zoe in English) from Digimon Frontier. Toei and Bandai are recently promoting the Digimon Frontier BD set (which comes out next year), and while Digimon Frontier has some humor which may be questionable at times (somehow these didn't get censored in the English localization), using this to promote the set is a bit... uncomfortable, even if the whole thing was a joke in the show.

The said character is about 11-12 years old. She's in the 5th grade (the dub slightly ages her up, but doesn't completely solve the issue). So, yeah...

To make matters worse, this is one of.... her... Spirit evolution:



(Digimon on the left)

Yeaaaaah.
 
So I just happened to see this get retweeted on my time line, and I'm a bit... perturbed. It's anime related, but still.


So, to clarify, the character in question is Izumi (Zoe in English) from Digimon Frontier. Toei and Bandai are recently promoting the Digimon Frontier BD set (which comes out next year), and while Digimon Frontier has some humor which may be questionable at times (somehow these didn't get censored in the English localization), using this to promote the set is a bit... uncomfortable, even if the whole thing was a joke in the show.

The said character is about 11-12 years old. She's in the 5th grade (the dub slightly ages her up, but doesn't completely solve the issue). So, yeah...

To make matters worse, this is.... her... Spirit evolution:



(Digimon on the left)

Yeaaaaah.
I don't know why there's still surprise about this when real girls on Japan do the same for decades being gravure idols with the same age and it's completely normalized. I never saw this digimon but I wouldn't be even surprised if the character is an actual gravure idol on the anime.

Without, of course, not counting that even in that very media you already could see the same on anime and manga with teenage characters since the 70s. Cutie Honey and Harenchi Gakuen both from Go Nagai already began that there in ecchi and were followed later by other manga. And then you had Ranma and Urusei Yatsura from Rumiko Takahashi on the 80s showing boobs with nipples and being quite sexualized as well which influenced the entire romcom genre using or not ecchi in future titles (even if today nipples only appear in volumes for shounen demography), All of those of course, absolute success except for Harenchi Gakuen that was cancelled by popular demand at the time in shounen jump because of it's sexual content since it was the first title to reach that and in a kids/teenager magazine at that.
 
It's weird when people bring up sex positivity as a defense but can't seem to bring up one example of a game that has anything to say about sexuality.

Big Mouth has a lot to say about sexuality. Xenoblade 2 has nothing to say.
It's a topic that AAA doesn't want to touch because it demos bad with an imagined horny male demo, or is in a small game that has nothing to lose by going all in with nudity and sex the ESRB would condemn to AO death.

Selling video games as boys toys in the states fucked up the whole damn industry.
 
You know that other thread made me look up the Gamer Joker meme and I instantly found an image that perfectly explains why women don't openly partake in gaming culture as much as men.

It was a shitty stock image of joker with text almost as cringeworthy as it is vile. Actually, not really, because it is way more vile than it is cringeworthy... and it's extremely cringeworthy.

It's a
shitty stock image of a grinning Joker with a caption saying something like "the only cure for being a bitch is gamer cum, so open wide!" in all caps. I'm not going to spread that around.

Fuck.
Only tangibly related, but watching Spider-Man on Twitch, I noticed that male entitlement and toxicity in the Twitch chat is even worse now than I was used to. Mary Jane is a bitch because she dares disagree with Peter, and Silver Sable ought to be "fucked in the front ass" among other things moments after she has been introduced. And of course, and one must not forget, saving any woman at any point means that you are free to fuck her now. In fact, that is something you deserve as your just reward. These things are something you do not see one or two people say, but something echoed collectively. Now I know that some people refer to Twitch chat as the toxic waste dump of the internet, but to me it's just another venue for men to show their true colors. Shit is disgusting and oh so telling.
 
Only tangibly related, but watching Spider-Man on Twitch, I noticed that male entitlement and toxicity in the Twitch chat is even worse now than I was used to. Mary Jane is a bitch because she dares disagree with Peter, and Silver Sable ought to be "fucked in the front ass" among other things moments after she has been introduced. And of course, and one must not forget, saving any woman at any point means that you are free to fuck her now. In fact, that is something you deserve as your just reward. These things are something you do not see one or two people say, but something echoed collectively. Now I know that some people refer to Twitch chat as the toxic waste dump of the internet, but to me it's just another venue for men to show their true colors. Shit is disgusting and oh so telling.
I'm honestly friggin' shocked that incel shite became some sort of a subculture that started permeating through nerdy communities.

Just some months ago it was some weird obscure reddit shit I was learning about through ERA. Now it seems like shit's a subculture and people are using words like "chad" outside of that toxic crapheap. I was laughing at that friggin' word back then for fuck's sake.
 
Only tangibly related, but watching Spider-Man on Twitch, I noticed that male entitlement and toxicity in the Twitch chat is even worse now than I was used to. Mary Jane is a bitch because she dares disagree with Peter, and Silver Sable ought to be "fucked in the front ass" among other things moments after she has been introduced. And of course, and one must not forget, saving any woman at any point means that you are free to fuck her now. In fact, that is something you deserve as your just reward. These things are something you do not see one or two people say, but something echoed collectively. Now I know that some people refer to Twitch chat as the toxic waste dump of the internet, but to me it's just another venue for men to show their true colors. Shit is disgusting and oh so telling.
In internetus veritas my man.

I'm honestly friggin' shocked that incel shite became some sort of a subculture that started permeating through nerdy communities.

Just some months ago it was some weird obscure reddit shit I was learning about through ERA. Now it seems like shit's a subculture and people are using words like "chad" outside of that toxic crapheap. I was laughing at that friggin' word back then for fuck's sake.
Those articles that popped up after those two incel guys killed women so close to each other undoubtedly had something to do with it.
 
So if you think about it... that shitty community gained some sort of legitimacy through mysoginistic murder.

That is fucked up on multiple levels.
Yeah I had heard about them many years beforehand but once that happened I started seeing incel this and incel that much more often. You could even see it in this very forum with how it became the hip new word for anyone vaguely sexist.
 
Yeah I had heard about them many years beforehand but once that happened I started seeing incel this and incel that much more often. You could even see it in this very forum with how it became the hip new word for anyone vaguely sexist.
It also became a thing for people to use this word to brand others.

At least in one case.

Like at least one console warrior called fanboys of the other platform incels.

Was weird AF.
 
Yeah, they are ok with fapping to trans people tho.
And they are ok with the idea they usually give as argument to why they don't date trans people.
I don't think the people who enjoy Bowsette in that way but also claim they aren't attracted to trans people are also looking at actual trans porn.

Bowsette might as well be just another sexy anime girl to them. I imagine in the heat of the moment they don't even think about the character's origin story.
 
Yeah I had heard about them many years beforehand but once that happened I started seeing incel this and incel that much more often. You could even see it in this very forum with how it became the hip new word for anyone vaguely sexist.
I imagine there's also a bit of a frequency illusion (Baader-Meinhof) going on. It's not necessarily becoming more common (though it could be for all I know), it's just that we're a lot better at spotting it now we're more aware that it's a thing.
 
You know, I genuinely wonder how different a product designed to appeal to female demo would look like as opposed to a product targetted to young adult male demo.

If a lot of games are Michael Bay movies, then what would gaming's Twilight look like... and how pressed would certain people be about it's success and existence?

Okay that last question isn't relevant.
Gone Home, Life is Strange

The former you'll recall caused a lot of gamer boys to lose their shit and declare it not even be a video game, and proclaim gaming journalism to be corrupt because the game got massively high scores and award nominations...
 
Not sure if I mentioned this in the old thread, but it's an amusing observation none-the-less: all the women I know who play video games have a much broader palette of titles to their name than blokes, who overall tend to stick with the big, popular AAA titles.

Equally amusing is that, despite always labelling women as "fake ganers", men are much, much more likely to pretend they've played a game or are a big fan of a series - or, indeed, do their best to hide their love of games considered "childish" or "for girls".

Toxic masculinity takes many guises!
 
Not sure if I mentioned this in the old thread, but it's an amusing observation none-the-less: all the women I know who play video games have a much broader palette of titles to their name than blokes, who overall tend to stick with the big, popular AAA titles.

Equally amusing is that, despite always labelling women as "fake ganers", men are much, much more likely to pretend they've played a game or are a big fan of a series - or, indeed, do their best to hide their love of games considered "childish" or "for girls".

Toxic masculinity takes many guises!
Can't even spell 'Gamers' correctly. Nice try faker, but you've been exposed.
 
This sudden surge of gender bending fanwank reminded me of something:
Dmitri from Darkstalkers has a super move that turns characters into (other) female versions of themselves. Here's some of them from Vampire Saviour 2 and Hunter 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnW4R3oFZIo

Man if Capcom were to announce a new Darkstalkers games and kept THAT...
Oh and watch after the Dmitri part, since it shows special victory animations in those games.
 
Not sure if I mentioned this in the old thread, but it's an amusing observation none-the-less: all the women I know who play video games have a much broader palette of titles to their name than blokes, who overall tend to stick with the big, popular AAA titles.

Equally amusing is that, despite always labelling women as "fake ganers", men are much, much more likely to pretend they've played a game or are a big fan of a series - or, indeed, do their best to hide their love of games considered "childish" or "for girls".

Toxic masculinity takes many guises!
I’ve worked for my current company for a while (in a large UK office building of ~500 people), and you can tell what’s popular with the guys that play games becuase you can overhear it in the restaurant- talk of raids, levelling up and an appreciation of sci-fi machine guns that borders on fetish :D My female colleagues that play games usually go for investigation, adventure, puzzle and story themes, almost entirely on mobile devices these days, and don’t really talk about them unless they know someone else likes them too, whereas the guys just dominate the soundscape of the break areas, shooters and sports games are up there with cars, politics and football. My wife is the same, her dedication to PvZ and any kind of puzzle/adventure/investigation outstrips my addiction to Monster Hunter, which is bad enough :D I think Phoenix Wright, PvZ and Hero Emblems were where our various interests in puzzles, RPGs and weirdness crossed over for the first time. My anecdotal experience is that my female friends, colleagues and family play a wider variety of games with far less focus on pursuing direct and violent dominance of an enemy unless in extreme self defence, but of course that’s a very small and self-selecting group in direct contradiction with plenty of players here etc.

Suggesting that Football Manager is less of a game and more of a spreadsheet is like throwing a live grenade around here :D

Of course, it might just be that women who like shooters etc don’t talk about them as much at my office for one reason or another, or don’t talk to me about them. I don’t talk about games much at work with the guys for reasons of having zero interest in the AAA shooters and sports etc that they talk about either. Apparently there’s an office ‘clan’, that sounds like my idea of hell!
 
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